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	<title>Comments on: Orientals Vs. Gauchos: Who Are You Rooting For?</title>
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		<title>By: Reminder: Racist Mascots are an Industry &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-231477</link>
		<dc:creator>Reminder: Racist Mascots are an Industry &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not just a poor choice.  It would be much more difficult to field a team called the Indians, the Gauchos, or the Orientals if there were no pre-made costumes to buy.  var addthis_language = &#039;en&#039;;       1 Comment     Tags: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not just a poor choice.  It would be much more difficult to field a team called the Indians, the Gauchos, or the Orientals if there were no pre-made costumes to buy.  var addthis_language = &#39;en&#39;;       1 Comment     Tags: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Freedman</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-193889</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very quick Google search for the words &quot;UCSB&quot; and &quot;tortillas&quot; brought up this Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Events_Center

An excerpt from this article:

&#039;In the early 1990s, it became customary for the students to toss tortillas onto the court like frisbees after the first UCSB basket of the game. The team would then be assessed a technical foul for delay of game while the tortillas were cleaned up, which became infamously known as the &quot;Tortilla Technical.&quot; Despite continued pleading from the players and coaches to stop the practice, students continued the behavior.

&#039;During a game televised by ESPN, tortilla fragments got into one of ESPN&#039;s professional video cameras. The school had to purchase a replacement for the network. The school established a policy of searching students for tortillas as they entered the arena and eventually the novelty wore off. While the tortillas have stopped flying at The Thunderdome, raucous students have brought the practice to Harder Stadium, home of the 2006 NCAA champion UC Santa Barbara Gauchos men&#039;s soccer team where no such penalties are enforced.&#039;

This explains the reference to &quot;tortillas&quot; in the UCSB soccer poster. I suspect that the UCSB students who first used tortillas as projectiles in the 1990s were motivated primarily by their low cost, portability, and Frisbee-like aerodynamics.

I note that Professor Wade graduated from UCSB in 1996 (http://departments.oxy.edu/sociology/Wade%20cv.htm), during the years that the tortilla-throwing fad was going on and was being reported in the UCSB student newspaper. Perhaps she had forgotten the history of the tortilla throwers when she wrote this piece.

The following piece from the Santa Barbara Independent is also of interest:

http://ucsbgauchos.cstv.com/genrel/042209aah.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very quick Google search for the words &#8220;UCSB&#8221; and &#8220;tortillas&#8221; brought up this Wikipedia article:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Events_Center" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Santa_Barbara_Events_Center</a></p>
<p>An excerpt from this article:</p>
<p>&#8216;In the early 1990s, it became customary for the students to toss tortillas onto the court like frisbees after the first UCSB basket of the game. The team would then be assessed a technical foul for delay of game while the tortillas were cleaned up, which became infamously known as the &#8220;Tortilla Technical.&#8221; Despite continued pleading from the players and coaches to stop the practice, students continued the behavior.</p>
<p>&#8216;During a game televised by ESPN, tortilla fragments got into one of ESPN&#8217;s professional video cameras. The school had to purchase a replacement for the network. The school established a policy of searching students for tortillas as they entered the arena and eventually the novelty wore off. While the tortillas have stopped flying at The Thunderdome, raucous students have brought the practice to Harder Stadium, home of the 2006 NCAA champion UC Santa Barbara Gauchos men&#8217;s soccer team where no such penalties are enforced.&#8217;</p>
<p>This explains the reference to &#8220;tortillas&#8221; in the UCSB soccer poster. I suspect that the UCSB students who first used tortillas as projectiles in the 1990s were motivated primarily by their low cost, portability, and Frisbee-like aerodynamics.</p>
<p>I note that Professor Wade graduated from UCSB in 1996 (<a href="http://departments.oxy.edu/sociology/Wade%20cv.htm" rel="nofollow">http://departments.oxy.edu/sociology/Wade%20cv.htm</a>), during the years that the tortilla-throwing fad was going on and was being reported in the UCSB student newspaper. Perhaps she had forgotten the history of the tortilla throwers when she wrote this piece.</p>
<p>The following piece from the Santa Barbara Independent is also of interest:</p>
<p><a href="http://ucsbgauchos.cstv.com/genrel/042209aah.html" rel="nofollow">http://ucsbgauchos.cstv.com/genrel/042209aah.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Ragin&#8217; Cajuns &#187; Sociological Images</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-138887</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ragin&#8217; Cajuns &#187; Sociological Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Ragin&#8217; Cajun controversy in light of the other mascots we&#8217;ve covered: the Orientals, the Gauchos, the Jews, the Fighting Irish, and the Indians.        Leave a Comment     Tags: education, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-127472</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So none of you guys have heard of this? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites


(and I LOVED the comment about the yankees.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So none of you guys have heard of this?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites</a></p>
<p>(and I LOVED the comment about the yankees.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-126029</link>
		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ajax Amsterdam is not, and has never been, called &quot;The Jews&quot;.
It is the FANS of the club, who have chosen to name themselves this way. This was done as a reaction of defiance towards fans of other teams in The Netherlands, who referred to Ajax&#039; fans (in a derogatory way) as &quot;Jews&quot;. Instead of continuing to be offended, Ajax&#039; fans adopted the name as a badge of honour, turning a &quot;negative&quot;, or derogatory, statement into a &quot;positive&quot; one.

There is a lot of different reasons for this (collective dutch guilt for the near-extermination of their jewish population in WW2, the &quot;cult&quot; surrounding the house and history of Anne Frank etc.), but it is not, and never has been an OFFICIAL name of the club. It could be compared with the way The Green Bay Packers are referred to as &quot;Cheeseheads&quot;.

There is a vast difference between a group of fans taking a derogatory nickname and turning it upside-down, and a team or a school, that uses an ethnic slur as their OFFICIAL name, against the wishes of the people being slurred, and continuing to do so, even when all excuses are exhausted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ajax Amsterdam is not, and has never been, called &#8220;The Jews&#8221;.<br />
It is the FANS of the club, who have chosen to name themselves this way. This was done as a reaction of defiance towards fans of other teams in The Netherlands, who referred to Ajax&#8217; fans (in a derogatory way) as &#8220;Jews&#8221;. Instead of continuing to be offended, Ajax&#8217; fans adopted the name as a badge of honour, turning a &#8220;negative&#8221;, or derogatory, statement into a &#8220;positive&#8221; one.</p>
<p>There is a lot of different reasons for this (collective dutch guilt for the near-extermination of their jewish population in WW2, the &#8220;cult&#8221; surrounding the house and history of Anne Frank etc.), but it is not, and never has been an OFFICIAL name of the club. It could be compared with the way The Green Bay Packers are referred to as &#8220;Cheeseheads&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is a vast difference between a group of fans taking a derogatory nickname and turning it upside-down, and a team or a school, that uses an ethnic slur as their OFFICIAL name, against the wishes of the people being slurred, and continuing to do so, even when all excuses are exhausted.</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday Blogwhoring &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-115816</link>
		<dc:creator>Thursday Blogwhoring &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sociological Images:  Orientals Vs. Gauchos:  Who are you rooting for? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: juglar del zipa</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-114525</link>
		<dc:creator>juglar del zipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some sports commentators in south america use nicknames for soccer national teams. aboriginal (imperial) groups: peru are the &quot;incas&quot; and paraguay the &quot;guaraníes&quot;. weird case of pars pro toto: &quot;cariocas&quot;--people from the city of rio de janeiro--is used for the whole brazilian team. the colombian team are the &quot;cafeteros&quot; (as a colombian i can only say it sounds way weird, i guess because soccer is related with the caribbean coast). the guys from venezuela are the &quot;patriotas&quot;--bolívar, i guess. and then come uruguay (the &quot;charruas&quot;) and argentina: the gauchos!

now, calling someone gaucho in argentina is a class-racial insult--just ask borges. but the gaucho--as the aboriginals in the rest of latin america--have this contradictory yet useful pride-shame value: &quot;we&#039;re all the proud descendants of these good savages but god forbid we&#039;re still as poor and uncivilized as them. wtf, we&#039;re just not them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some sports commentators in south america use nicknames for soccer national teams. aboriginal (imperial) groups: peru are the &#8220;incas&#8221; and paraguay the &#8220;guaraníes&#8221;. weird case of pars pro toto: &#8220;cariocas&#8221;&#8211;people from the city of rio de janeiro&#8211;is used for the whole brazilian team. the colombian team are the &#8220;cafeteros&#8221; (as a colombian i can only say it sounds way weird, i guess because soccer is related with the caribbean coast). the guys from venezuela are the &#8220;patriotas&#8221;&#8211;bolívar, i guess. and then come uruguay (the &#8220;charruas&#8221;) and argentina: the gauchos!</p>
<p>now, calling someone gaucho in argentina is a class-racial insult&#8211;just ask borges. but the gaucho&#8211;as the aboriginals in the rest of latin america&#8211;have this contradictory yet useful pride-shame value: &#8220;we&#8217;re all the proud descendants of these good savages but god forbid we&#8217;re still as poor and uncivilized as them. wtf, we&#8217;re just not them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandrágoras</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-114210</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandrágoras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think is the sadest thing of this all, is that those mascots belong to educative institutions. What does a Gaucho has to do with a Tortilla? It makes me think in that USA map where everything that is not USA, is unknown ground and everybody who&#039;s not an american look the same.

Well, I feel sorry for the students.

Regards from México City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is the sadest thing of this all, is that those mascots belong to educative institutions. What does a Gaucho has to do with a Tortilla? It makes me think in that USA map where everything that is not USA, is unknown ground and everybody who&#8217;s not an american look the same.</p>
<p>Well, I feel sorry for the students.</p>
<p>Regards from México City.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So not liking a football team from Miami makes people more likely to purchase tuna that isn&#039;t dolphin safe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So not liking a football team from Miami makes people more likely to purchase tuna that isn&#8217;t dolphin safe?</p>
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		<title>By: Shana</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-112769</link>
		<dc:creator>Shana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first glance, Orientals did not bother me. Oriental simply means East as Occidental means West. I thought it appropriate for a school called EAST high school. However, The &quot;Asianesque&quot; font and dragon symbol puts a spin on their choice of mascot. On the one hand, the mascot inspires and excites the school, and the crowd at sporting events. It is an honor to be chosen as your school mascot. (Ask the teenager wearing the big cartoon-like Tiger costume at LSU) But, as you point out, they also become the target of the opposing team. This would be all in good fun except that it reinforces negative feelings and stereotypes covertly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first glance, Orientals did not bother me. Oriental simply means East as Occidental means West. I thought it appropriate for a school called EAST high school. However, The &#8220;Asianesque&#8221; font and dragon symbol puts a spin on their choice of mascot. On the one hand, the mascot inspires and excites the school, and the crowd at sporting events. It is an honor to be chosen as your school mascot. (Ask the teenager wearing the big cartoon-like Tiger costume at LSU) But, as you point out, they also become the target of the opposing team. This would be all in good fun except that it reinforces negative feelings and stereotypes covertly.</p>
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		<title>By: Purrdence</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-112752</link>
		<dc:creator>Purrdence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How interesting. :) In Australian English, &#039;ute&#039; is the name for what I think American English calls a &#039;pickup truck&#039;. Until I read the rest of the paragraph, a football team called &#039;The Utes&#039; was a bit of a &#039;what the?&#039; moment for me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting. <img src='http://contexts.org/socimages/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In Australian English, &#8216;ute&#8217; is the name for what I think American English calls a &#8216;pickup truck&#8217;. Until I read the rest of the paragraph, a football team called &#8216;The Utes&#8217; was a bit of a &#8216;what the?&#8217; moment for me. <img src='http://contexts.org/socimages/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tiago</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-112397</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you get upset about something, you are upset, that&#039;s it, you can&#039;t do anything about it... what, someone else is gonna point out that it&#039;s silly and then you&#039;re gonna say &quot;oh, ok, my bad&quot;... I don&#039;t want to seem like I just want to get on your case, but I wanted to say that I think we should try to remember exactly what it means to say this, you know... the final decision on whether or not it is silly to be upset belongs solely to the person that is upset, then I want to see it be ruled silly. In the normal social world, sure, it&#039;s fine to speak in terms of silliness, but not when we&#039;re talking about such sensitive things as prejudice, discrimination and defamation, not if we actually want to get somewhere.
For me, I just take it as a rule, I can never assume to understand the worthiness of someone else&#039;s indignation or the exact state of someone else&#039;s mind, either I have the indignation or I don&#039;t. You know each person&#039;s individual experiences are to them all the drama in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you get upset about something, you are upset, that&#8217;s it, you can&#8217;t do anything about it&#8230; what, someone else is gonna point out that it&#8217;s silly and then you&#8217;re gonna say &#8220;oh, ok, my bad&#8221;&#8230; I don&#8217;t want to seem like I just want to get on your case, but I wanted to say that I think we should try to remember exactly what it means to say this, you know&#8230; the final decision on whether or not it is silly to be upset belongs solely to the person that is upset, then I want to see it be ruled silly. In the normal social world, sure, it&#8217;s fine to speak in terms of silliness, but not when we&#8217;re talking about such sensitive things as prejudice, discrimination and defamation, not if we actually want to get somewhere.<br />
For me, I just take it as a rule, I can never assume to understand the worthiness of someone else&#8217;s indignation or the exact state of someone else&#8217;s mind, either I have the indignation or I don&#8217;t. You know each person&#8217;s individual experiences are to them all the drama in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, thanks for clarifying.

Still, compared to borderline-racist mascots, that seems like a silly thing to get upset about. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, thanks for clarifying.</p>
<p>Still, compared to borderline-racist mascots, that seems like a silly thing to get upset about. <img src='http://contexts.org/socimages/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it was because it was male and therefore left out the female half of the student body. That and the minuteman had a gun in the drawings. We never actually had someone dressed up as a minuteman while I was there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was because it was male and therefore left out the female half of the student body. That and the minuteman had a gun in the drawings. We never actually had someone dressed up as a minuteman while I was there.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was so squicky about a minuteman? That seems like a fairly innocuous mascot to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was so squicky about a minuteman? That seems like a fairly innocuous mascot to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gauchos go with tortillas like gazpacho goes with Swedes. By which I mean, Mexico and Argentina are half a continent away. Besides, in Argentina a tortilla is usually an omelette, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Argentina&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;typical food&lt;/a&gt; would be either mate or roasted beef with chimichurri sauce. It&#039;s a bit of a stereotype fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gauchos go with tortillas like gazpacho goes with Swedes. By which I mean, Mexico and Argentina are half a continent away. Besides, in Argentina a tortilla is usually an omelette, and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_Argentina" rel="nofollow">typical food</a> would be either mate or roasted beef with chimichurri sauce. It&#8217;s a bit of a stereotype fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My middle school was built in 1969. At the time the students voted for their mascot to be the Panthers, as the story goes the mascot wasn&#039;t approved due to concerns that it would be associated with the black panthers. Instead they became the Patriots. Fast forward to 1998 or so, they decided that the Patriots was an inappropriate mascot because it was a minuteman. The students voted once again and picked the Panthers. I just find it ironic that the ended up with the mascot they initially feared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My middle school was built in 1969. At the time the students voted for their mascot to be the Panthers, as the story goes the mascot wasn&#8217;t approved due to concerns that it would be associated with the black panthers. Instead they became the Patriots. Fast forward to 1998 or so, they decided that the Patriots was an inappropriate mascot because it was a minuteman. The students voted once again and picked the Panthers. I just find it ironic that the ended up with the mascot they initially feared.</p>
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		<title>By: Hata</title>
		<link>http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/09/15/go-orientials-go/comment-page-1/#comment-112256</link>
		<dc:creator>Hata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Rochester and always wondered why it was okay for East High to still be the Orientals.  East High is a predominately populated by urban/black low to middle class students.  I have a feeling if this school was in the more suburban/predominately white parts of Rochester, there may have been more pressure to change the mascot long ago.  

Also, I think their mascot is some sort of big furry creature, which reminds me of the Syracuse Orangemen, which is an interesting story too: http://archives.syr.edu/history/mascots.html

The suburban school I attended was the &quot;Chiefs&quot;.  Through the initiative of some more thoughtful students, it was eventually changed during my time there to the Patriots (because the new mascot was left for a popular vote by students, and it being months after 9/11...does that count as being ironic?).  Every once and while I will get facebook friend requests from a  fellow classmate in which their &quot;about me&quot; proudly  states &quot;Chief Forever!&quot;.  I will never understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Rochester and always wondered why it was okay for East High to still be the Orientals.  East High is a predominately populated by urban/black low to middle class students.  I have a feeling if this school was in the more suburban/predominately white parts of Rochester, there may have been more pressure to change the mascot long ago.  </p>
<p>Also, I think their mascot is some sort of big furry creature, which reminds me of the Syracuse Orangemen, which is an interesting story too: <a href="http://archives.syr.edu/history/mascots.html" rel="nofollow">http://archives.syr.edu/history/mascots.html</a></p>
<p>The suburban school I attended was the &#8220;Chiefs&#8221;.  Through the initiative of some more thoughtful students, it was eventually changed during my time there to the Patriots (because the new mascot was left for a popular vote by students, and it being months after 9/11&#8230;does that count as being ironic?).  Every once and while I will get facebook friend requests from a  fellow classmate in which their &#8220;about me&#8221; proudly  states &#8220;Chief Forever!&#8221;.  I will never understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Tintin LaChance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tintin LaChance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You do understand the difference between DEnote and CONnote, right? ;-)&quot;

Indeed, I do; I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m a bit tired this morning, though--sorry about that.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You do understand the difference between DEnote and CONnote, right? <img src='http://contexts.org/socimages/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, I do; I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m a bit tired this morning, though&#8211;sorry about that.  <img src='http://contexts.org/socimages/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As far as the word “Oriental” goes, semantically, it does denote a particular stereotype; Webster’s lists it as an offensive term for “Asian,” which means it connotes every stereotype of East Asians in the book...&quot;

You do understand the difference between DEnote and CONnote, right? ;-)

This reminds me a bit of the debates that tend to flare up in LGBT magazine op-eds about the word &quot;queer.&quot; It&#039;s still quite abhorrent to the self-identified gays from a generation when it was a caustic slur, and regard it as a barrier against acceptance as &quot;normal.&quot; But it&#039;s an inclusive and empowering term to their successors, who feel they&#039;ve fully reclaimed it from the days when it was wounding. The time has probably come for &quot;Oriental,&quot; too, though I doubt a suburban high school is in any position to lead the charge.

Actually, this is not meant as an argument for or against anything you said - I just really, really want some Red State school to have a team called The Queers! And then Lisa can post photos of the mascot.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As far as the word “Oriental” goes, semantically, it does denote a particular stereotype; Webster’s lists it as an offensive term for “Asian,” which means it connotes every stereotype of East Asians in the book&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You do understand the difference between DEnote and CONnote, right? <img src='http://contexts.org/socimages/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This reminds me a bit of the debates that tend to flare up in LGBT magazine op-eds about the word &#8220;queer.&#8221; It&#8217;s still quite abhorrent to the self-identified gays from a generation when it was a caustic slur, and regard it as a barrier against acceptance as &#8220;normal.&#8221; But it&#8217;s an inclusive and empowering term to their successors, who feel they&#8217;ve fully reclaimed it from the days when it was wounding. The time has probably come for &#8220;Oriental,&#8221; too, though I doubt a suburban high school is in any position to lead the charge.</p>
<p>Actually, this is not meant as an argument for or against anything you said &#8211; I just really, really want some Red State school to have a team called The Queers! And then Lisa can post photos of the mascot&#8230;..</p>
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